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 It is normal when the groom is more senior than the girl for 25 years?

Profile		 Author: Olga  (---.tz.ru)
Date:   04-03-06 02:33

Usually when in the questionnaire you write a limit of age of "groom" 28 - 35 years at once you add 10-15(25) years. Men in this advanced age already badly see and consequently usually do not read it))). Especially it is interesting when I went in stationary agency in my city where took money from "grooms" for everyone the letter to the girl. Letters almost oblige to write the girl to all men and correspondence reaches to the point of irrationality when I have received letters from elderly men where almost in everyone he wrote about the gout and about the dogs. I think that all should have the measure, as well as the difference in the age of pair which wants to marry.

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Profile		 Author: Richard  (129.44.35.---)
Date:   04-03-06 06:00

Olga

Thats an intersting point, because on the girls profiles here, there is no space which shows what age range the girl is looking for

Like the new photo by the way!


Richard

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Profile		 Author: Olga  (---.tz.ru)
Date:   04-03-06 06:36

I am simply tired to write criteria of age. I do the simple selection now. I think girls act also)))

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   04-03-06 08:11

You do not look tired,dear Olya. I think you look a little older than in your last photo,however. Jokes!!

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (---.skydsl.de)
Date:   04-04-06 00:05

I faced too with this problem, a choice in the age of the man for us of the girl!! We shall say amicably " NO!!!! " - grandfathers.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (---.skydsl.de)
Date:   04-04-06 00:08

You will bite for a long time Olga? But I think at her mind will suffice to smile from you ;-))))

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-08-06 08:55

Olga
This is for you and Angle

Let me tell you about a friend of mine His name is Robert he was 54 and he married Katya was 28 from Russia he never told Katya that he had a good a job or that he had money. so he sent for here to come and visit him in the U.S. and they got married while she was here and now she is a U.S. citizen. and she is one of the Nice's person that you will every want to meet. and they have been married for over 6 years and they have two wonderful children their name are Irene is 4 and Elena is 2 and they have just build them a new $350,000.00 dollar home and it is a real nice home. and she has the family value of a good mother and a good wife. I have never herd Katya complain about their age diffrence all I have ever herd a say is that she wishes that all the girls from Russia could get out of there and have just half the opportunity that she has had. and that she would never go back, she has her Owen car and diamonds and what ever she wants and can go and do about anything that she wants. so age difference is what you make of it, it is just a number it has nothing to to with feeling . (so Katya is the one doing the smiling)

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-08-06 12:35

Dear Ronnie, I can only tell you 6 year is not big way of family life. I would like to hear what you will tell about this family after 15-20 years common life. And for poor Russian Katya, who living in Russia perhaps even didn't have enough food, not talking about car and diamonds, is king life in the USA with her rich man.
Don't speak here about American reach princes and poor Russian Sinderellas. It is not a rule, it is exceptin. I don't advise you to hope you get such Katya (Sinderella) for your life. Our young women can study good and becam like American women.

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   04-08-06 13:05

Please do not ( FSU women ) become like American women. There are plenty of them already--we do not need more. Be true to your own personalities. Well,it sounds like Robert has plenty of finances to leave Katya comfortable in case he should leave life ( and her ) At least she will not be a desperate widower at 40 years old--without money or a home. I dated a young woman here in the US when I was 36 years old. She was 22. She had way too much energy and wanted to party every day. We had a lot of fun--and she was a mature young lady. But still--we had little to talk about,and little to relate to as far as life experience. When she was only a baby,I was 14 years old. She knew about school and boys. I knew about finances and work. I do not care who says differently--there are exceptions--but mostly a woman 20 years younger than you is just " arm candy" as our friend Lorentz has described. Too different mentally and emotionally. But,she may become a very wealthy young widow,which would make bringing her families and friends to her home easier. I guess it makes a difference too--what man would a 26 year old woman be attracted to. SOme men--maybe Clint Eastwood in his 70s,can still have any woman they want. Also,what happens if he is not potent enough for her? If he cannot make his "stinger" get up to attention for her? Will he be hurt because she wants to be sexually fulfilled?

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   04-08-06 14:51

Blaine: Wasn't it you who said "bring on the Viagra, and the insolin" Ohh, sorry you said Cialis, didn't you (smile)

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   04-08-06 15:27

I will never forget--this 22 year old girl and I were "body floating" the Clark`s Fork River in Montana. There are many deep fishing holes in it,and we frolicked like 2 teenagers. SHe would swim beneath me and pull my pants down. It was fun. She gave me her phone number. I went out with her a few times. I called her house one day,and the message said ,"Hello,this is ******* *****,please leave a message. Well-- it was a lady who was my same age whom I had went to school with,and she was the mother of the young lady. This could turn into a story about how I dated the mama and the daughter both,and had relations with them. Very emotionally disturbing,very shameful for me. I did have this experience once,and I will never be able to speak her name,or the mother ( my english teacher at school ) would be in big trouble--even after all these years. I have been with young women and older women too. This is simply a chapter in my life,not the whole book. I am 43 years old,I am a grandfather, I date different women whom I will not marry. I hope for this chapter to recede into the past also. I can love a very young woman,but I will not have physical relations with her. I think some men have no speculation about this--no scruples or confusion about what is "right". Now--if she climbs aboard while I am sleeping==I simply cannot be held responsible for what the "stinger" does when I am not awake!!!!! This is my feeling only--I do not expect it to be MY way for any man. I expect my ways to be different,because I expect more from myself,and I feel proud to be a man of ethics. I know that little kids can look up at me with respect,because I am not a "dirty old man" who only wants to "bang" their 19 year old sister!!!!

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-09-06 05:02

Dear Smiling
No I am not looking for a younger women, all I was saying was that it is up to the person this is none of my business who marry"s who. all I was saying was that Katya and Robert is the one that made that decision and it no matter if something happen to Robert she has Robert family and all the friends she has made here that would be glad to help her out .no she would never have to go back to Russia she has it made. now she is a school teacher here and teaches Russian Languages in school she makes around $52,000.00 U.S. dollars a year and if she work for 20 years she can draw a retirement check every month around 3.000.00 dollars a month, can you do that there ? you see with thoughts like you have that is why you are in Kiev and Katya is here in the U.S. so I am going to go to church to day and I will see her, and ask her if she has any douths about what she did. I will also ask her to come and read what you have to say and to respond to you if she will. knowing her if she dose you better get ready she has some American ways now! but she has never forgot where she came from and to where she is today!
no Katya will never have to problem about having to ask for money or a place to live she Owen her Owen 350,000.00 dollar home do you. ?

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-09-06 13:38

Yes dear Ronnie, My flat costs more than half price of home of your friends. But I am one and I am owner of it. Yes, I am buying shoes, which costs $300. How you see I am not worse your Katya in the USA. And maybe better ,because I am getting married with not old pocket with money , but with only a good man for my life.
And I repeat your Katya perhaps had hungry life in Russia, and of course, he is exited of her life there in the USA now and she was happy to get any man to leave Russia., even such old man like her husband.
But what will she do after 15-20 year common life with this man?
You still don't understand life in Ukraine and Russia is changing and not all womaen here are sinderellas,waiting for Amerian old reach princes..

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Profile		 Author: Uri  (12.153.18.---)
Date:   04-09-06 15:49

Dear Smiling, I respect your chice of age as your own trip in your own head.I am 59 years old, and have a lot to offer in a relationship.if there is a detail in someone 's profile that you dont like, you have a choice to abort your interest,and thats for you to determine.I prefer to meet some one that is much yonger then I am,becouse I found them attractive.thats my right ,and my chice.which is one of the first thing that we all want to find out and want to know what the other person looks like,so we can discover if we are`attracted to that person.I would probebly spend my time to go after you,and start a dialog,but unfortunatly you are out of my age range-you are too old . and you don't bother to post your picture,which I assume, you either can't efford it,or there is not much to look at.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-09-06 18:28

Dear Uri, I am not looking for a man here, because I am getting married.Therefore I don't have photo here and my profile is not right, too. I live in Kiev-it is truth about me.I really like this forum, I like to exchange minds,to read. That helps me to improve my English.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-09-06 18:36

Dear Uri, don't worry, there are enough young girls here, who want to get a pocket with money.

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   04-09-06 19:48

and older "girls" also (smilling)

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   04-09-06 19:48

that want pocket of gold

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Profile		 Author: Uri  (12.153.18.---)
Date:   04-09-06 20:26

Dear smiling ,it is disturbing me see that you deminish people with age ,and puting down the contributions,and other atributs,thinking that all we have to offer is just money,and it is amazing to me that you are reduceing the understanding of women in your country that are just interested in the money .you are reduceing the integrity of those women who are looking beyond the age.it is clear to me how you, olga, and Angel thinks. I am glad you are not representing all the women in your country, as Andy said---"old once too" .hunger for money dose not die with age,and integrity dose not exist only with the older.

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-09-06 20:47

Dear smiling

I just want you to know that Katya did not know that Robert had money. she did not find out tell later she married Robert for what he was. and by the way she said that she would like to talk to you tomorrow night

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-09-06 20:58

smiling

Katya said that she mite have said something that she would take back that she wishes all the girls from Russia and Ukraine had the opportunity that she had. and that maybe some girls was not cut out to do this so we will see what she has to say tomorrow night. gril on girl hay guys I can't wait to see what happen you will have to know Katya she know the American way now

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   04-09-06 21:47

Any woman I am with will be very modest and sensible--I do not care how much money I have. I would not want her to act like " a kid in a candy store",which is what happens to women who are very materialistic ( on-a- whim-shoppers). Uri--I think that women like Smiling,Angel and Olga are merely curious about what foreign men think. If half of the women who sign-up for New Dating were really,really serious,then maybe they would use this forum too-- not only to learn American men--but any men in the world who are curious--and brave enough to put their thoughts here in the forum. I think--for all these women,that it takes a lot of ( we men call it many things!! ) effort ,intelligence,understanding of the english language, and much more to write here. I know that they try hard to make themselves underdtood,and I respect them even more for doing this in english. I know things would be all screwed up if we were all writing in russian words,but these same ladies would be able to speak with much greater conviction and persuasion.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-10-06 00:57

Dear Uri, in my opinion , You decieve yourself ,thinking that young women love you for you, but not for your money. I have friends among young women and I had talking with them about that. Nobody from them don't want to have even old lover, because these women graduated univercities, have a good job,they are independent and all want to get a husband not older them than 10-15 year.
Deaer Uri, I know many girls who likes night life, expensive things,they prefer to get a men older them. Because men of their age don't have so much money to spend for them. Because good educated men of their age do career and need clever girl,s who will not only spend their money. I know that exatly, too.My friend has such brother,who is working in Singapure now. And his friends think so too
But that is your chooce, You want to decieve yourself-you will be decieved.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-10-06 01:05

Dear Blaine, you are right.
Angel, Olga, Kate where are you?I have not read you for some days here and really miss you! Because you have your own thoughts and opinions, you don't try to edvertise themself here. You are really interesting persons!

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-10-06 02:13

Dear Ronnie, it is impossible for Kate to be honest here in her thoughts, because You knows her and her husband. To experess her truth minds she must be unknown like me here without photo, profile and my fiansey's friend (in her case without you here-her husband's friend). Without this she will only propagande her style of life.
But in the same time I can say there are not rules without exeprions.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (---.sanjose.ca.sanfran.comcast.net)
Date:   04-10-06 12:07

Hi Smiling


You well held defenses at that time when I had a rest.

I would not be so is sure in that that feels Rolling - pleasure or disappointment. She the clever woman also will not tell that she was mistaken. I think to it there is no its age of people if she works among youth. I shall tell one: " the Young husband leaves after parting - mistresses and debts to the former wife, the old husband - leaves after the death - the rich widow ". But first not the fact that it will die the first and the second that it will not leave the money for a favourite dog)))) I choose the middle - as well as smiling the difference between the man and the woman should be reasonable - 10-15 years.

In each family there should be children. If she also appear - alive father is necessary for them.

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-10-06 20:43

Dear girls olga Angel & Smiling

I have came to my friends Ronnie's house to write to you. I have read what you had to say about me. Now let me tell you this when Robert and I met Robert had came to Moscow that is where we met at in a cafe Robert he was setting at the table next to me and we be gain just talking the first day the next day we met at the same cafe he was on vacation that what he told me. and so he ask if I would show him around Moscow and so I said yes. Robert was such a gentleman I was so in press with him I was only 27 at the time he treated me like a lady not like are Russian men, I never saw him take a drink like are men dose in Russia on vodka and stay drink all the time. I never had met any one like him he was very interesting so when he left we exchanged address and wrote to each other by regular mail I did not use the internet at that time and that is how we met. and he ask if I would like to come and visit him in America and I said yes I would. I work very had to come up with the money to get a passport and applied for my visa and he help me get my visa you know how hard it is to get a visa I never ask Robert for any money he offered but told him no that I would get it on my owen and I did. but Robert paid for my plane ticket. and I fell in love with him and we got married I never new that Robert had any money we live in a apartment for two years and I got pregnant with are first child and that is when he said that we need a bigger place and we build a new home. you see all thing belong to each orther here I singe the papers with Robert for are new home every thing is ares not just his or mine it is ares together that the was it works in America. I am very happy with Robert and or two children I love him very much.
The older man that you talk about is always at home with me and not out chasing other girl like younger men dose and and getting drink he is more responsible than younger men is and a very good father . and no I would not trade him for a younger man, that you mite not know where he is. now you have no ideal how happy I am and it not for his money I work also at the school and make very good money the people here is very friendly and think a lot of me and I do them also. so don't jude me I am here and you are still there and waiting for your younger man that mite never come a long. I am now 34 and Robert is 60, love is what you make of it ,it is just a number it has noting to do with love it is the person. now Smiling I am not hiding behind a blank picture like you and say what you think. I have my owen computer at home and if you will give me your address I will send you picture of me and my family. I will give you my address mine and Robert Email address killowatt235@yahoo.com now give me yours if you are so brave and like to judge people that you dont know. and who would give 300 for a pair of shoes that is a stuid women to give that kind of money for their feet it could have been spent for food for there children not for them self. Smiling and you can keep your big flat in Kiev and maybe that younger man will come along and help you spend your money it sounds like he could do a better job than you . and Angle it is better to have and older man than not having one at all, you just keep waiting and getting older for your prince to come alone that mite not ever be there.so dont judge me you need to look at your selfs I don't have to be on the internet waiting to ask someone for money to come to them I am married with a happy family!!!!!!! now what do you girls have ?
Katya Irene Elena & Robert

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   04-10-06 23:30

That is not the first time I have heard this type of a response, and I have heard it in person. There is quite a number of cuples in Los Angles area, that feel the same way. Also there is the cases of the very young ladies that only do it for GreenCard, and leave on the day it is recieved, but they are few, and two I know of were like 80 yo men and 18 yo girls, (lol).
Thank you for your input Katya

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-11-06 00:28

Dear Kate, your letter didn’t persuade me and Angel and Olga, I think too. Sorry, that is not interesting for me to be in writing with you. Because we belong for different levels of society. Sorry, but is a shame, living in the USA so long time like you and to write of such bad English language even without punctuation. I can imagine what Russian teacher are you!

I am an independent, well educated, not poor, good looking woman. I am a very god mother. That is so and there is no sense for me to prove it for you. That is my life.

But, dear Kate, I am really pity you. Why? Because you are a young woman and could not meet a good man of your age in Moscow till your 27. Perhaps, dear Kate, something was not right with you. You are lie, when you wrote about all Russians, drinking alcohol. Most young men of your age are hard working and doing their career. I know and watch a lot of such men here in Kiev. I think you had not enough high level to get such man. Young generation , which I watch here in Kiev(Moscow, S, Petersburg…) is different then their parents. That is an Europian generation and better. Yes, people, who are older than 45, are different.

Dear Kate, I have such friend of your age(only she had her own child), who got married with old American man. I understand her, because she had a very poor hard life here in Ukraine. But it was 8 year ago and she lived in the city, where it was many women and a few men, not in Moscow alike you. Now she is 40 and honestly I have known about her nothing, because I left that city many years ago.

And about my own life. I am getting married with a man, who are older than me for 11 year. That is enough for me, because I want to get a husband, lover and friend in one person, with whom I will live for the rest of my life, I hope it very much . I don’t want to become a rich widow.

I think your life is not example for Olga, Angel and all high educated, independent ,good looking women ….. and ,of course, not for me.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-11-06 00:57

Sorry, typing on my lap top , I made mistakes. It is right so: You said lie,
than their parents,
an old American man,
who is older than me
is not an example
I hope you forgive me my mistakes, because I have been studing English for one year. But I am impoving it .:):)

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (---.tz.ru)
Date:   04-11-06 02:25

I am not sometimes sure in my personal acts and actions. you are sure on 100% in its friend. This is funnily. Russians speak – stranger family this is darknesses. I do not want to all here to prove that your friend lives badly or well. This all only solitary instance good. How to Smile said – exception, but also this no fact that tomorrow it will be well. We are not going to prosecute an inquiry – this foolishly and prove that or. ))) I do not wait a prince, but also do not wait grand-dad with the gold teeth. I get older, but this does not mean that I must seize each grand-dad, I must have a choice and I do it. I am well-educated, clever and interesting man and I deserve the best – than to listen every day about radikulite or vigulivat its dog. I repeat oneself – but the not only good father but also father needs to my children which will be on all stages of its life. This fact that all of us get older also with every year more difficult and more difficult to jump to us and frisk. Of course nobody is insured from death or from the bad father for child. But we all do deserve the best whether untruth? ))) Man which saves itself and God saves )))

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (---.tz.ru)
Date:   04-11-06 02:37

Smiling - I think you simply put to death from it post )))) Indeed to find foolishness out relations over the Internet. Rolling did its choice and God to it in the help. I and many other women would not have liked happiness by such price and this also their choice.

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-11-06 04:04

Dear Smiling


If you are going to get married soon then why do you still have your profile on this site it sounds like you are not for sure. if you was going to get Married to this man and you love him you think that you would have the descents to pull your profile and be true to him instead of trying to still play the field.
Your letter didn't impress me we have seen what kid of women you are and I am glade that I don't have any thing to do with you (Smile) all you want to do is try and impress to everyone on this site on what you want and what you have and criticize anyone that doesnt agree with you. well it don't work here sorry it dose not work on me. if you was half the women that Katya was you wouldn't be on this site she never had her profile on any site she did it on her owen.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-11-06 09:47

Dear Ronny, I repeat you and all men and women here,and for everybody here who perhaps cannot read well. I had written 100 time and am writing 101 th time.I am not looking for a man here. I am here for writing,for conversation, for exchanging opinions.
Of course, dear Ronnie, you are not couple for me.:):). But I really wish you to find such girl, who you want.
And about my wedding. Name me even one man, who has not had doubts before marry. Because it is big changing of life.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-11-06 10:23

Dear Angel, No, I am not going to die here on this forum.:):). My breik between stading terms in the British Council finished yesterday. My English training here,too:):). I have to do many home tasks and to prepare for my wedding.

But I think , there was a good bullshow and I was as a torrero with red cloth:):). I am not sure that I won , because that is very hard to get victory, fighting with narrow-mindness of some men.

They were fighting not personality with me(Because they don't know , who I is in really life).They were fighting with ideas, which they don't like.

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   04-11-06 12:27

I will often go many days without writing here,but I still read much. I have come to express my support of the ladies here. Surely we do not want everybody to share the same opinions. Life would be too boring! I did like Katya and Robert`s story. It was well told. I consider this the exception rather than the rule. I have read and discussed before the percentage of American marriages which end in divorce. It is supposed to be 40-50 %. This is a fair margin I think--and maybe not so different than a business which you start. I know that the percentage of failed relationships is higher with FSU ladies because of language,cultural and personality differences. I applaud,and congratulate anybody who can have a successful relationship. It is something to be admired and appreciated in any language,culture,or society. Now-back to the topic of this discussion. This is Olga`s topic--but where in the heck are you,Olya!!!??? So much has been written since you started this discussion. I hope you have not run away after starting the fire! I want to take the topic back to Olga`s original question. The question is asked a little differently. If I were to say " `IS` It normal when..." I would probably be asking an individual person a question. Olga probably meant it this way. But,if I say "It IS normal...",this implies a statement of fact. I truly believe Olga was asking, " Is it normal when the groom is more than 25 years older than the bride?". The answer to this is---No. It is NOT normal. It is not usual. It is unusual,and will be looked at differently by people in the U.S. People will say to the man, " You have such a lovely daughter",and be shocked at the difference in age. Older ( maybe jealous) ladies will `cluck ` their tongues like chickens and mutter under their breath, " That girl is younger than my grand-daughter!" Love has nothing to do with age. Most people only know societies views about partners being only a few years separated in age. This has nothing to do with how anybody feels--it is just a fact of life. It is NOT normal--it is unusual. If there is love between the people--it is still unusual. But I accept this---and I very much wish Robert and Katya ( and everybody else here ) the best luck in this lottery/pokergame/crap shoot/fox hunt !!!

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Profile		 Author: Uri  (---.ontrca.adelphia.net)
Date:   04-11-06 23:25

Katya, thank you very much for such a great letter and a great story, I wish there were more people like you and Robert . Its a woman like you that I am looking for.your standart of exilence, in doing the right thing is comandible, it is unfortunatly some women that can't see the priorities right,and making a life for themselves and others a hell on earth. smiling is only right when she declared that you are different then her in level of soceity, I am just wander if she realy knows it, what kind of level of soceity dose she things she is at? you have the right to voice your opinion at least as much as she dose.
there is no doubt that some people in Russia and the Ukrain are living very nicely, and certenly you can be happy living anywere, even in Bagdad.America,provids a graet opportunity to many to live a great life,and live in a better living conditions.not to say you could not do it in some other country as well.but what we don't see is to many American women rushing to the net to find a sole mate in Russia or Ukrain.so my dear smiling and Angel, can you try to figure this one out ,or do we have to break it down to you in more details.

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Profile		 Author: Uri  (---.ontrca.adelphia.net)
Date:   04-11-06 23:45

Blain you are correct that we have to address the issue at hand and the subject. Normal is what you think is normal,its all in the eye of the beholder.if you come to see venice beach California, its very normal to see people in a dress code you never see in Wayoming. its not normal for you and Olga, but it may be normal for smiling, or me.normal is a predictable path by which we chose to be,and when we are or some one els is out of our path, we feel its not normal. smiling is saying she dose not want to be a rich widow,she assumes that the man will die first. smiling, is it better to be a poor widow?
Smiling,with regard to your thoughts of your future husband being a lover and a friend in one person, is that a new concept for you or you just came out with it on your own?I gess you see it as a very unusual concept.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-12-06 00:52

:):):) Of cource, dear Uri, I don't want to becam also a poor widow.That is not my style of life.

That is strangely for me ,that you still don't know who is a husband , who is a lover and who is a friend :):):).

I am alike all women want to get a perfect man who is a husband, a lover and a friend in one person :):):)

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (125.244.115.---)
Date:   04-12-06 02:03

Funny you act in a role of the lawyer Roll. I wrote to you already that in the another's country the clever woman will not complain of the husband to the another's person. You speak that she did not know about that that at him is money. But the educated woman we can define a prosperity of the man on his behaviour - as he smokes, that he smokes, as he sits, as he confidently feels himself in expensive hotels - each detail of his behaviour speaks about his condition. Rolling and your friend had the big difference in the age of. He should give her a payment for its{her} youth and the old age - the payment was money. I wish only good your friend and Kate . But she is not right that she speaks badly about Russian. She does not respect the nation.



Well they have 2 children of 2 and 4 years, but you reflected that when the younger girl will go to 1 class of school to him there will be 60 years. After leaving school-72 years and after institute of 78 years. You count it normal? I no.

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Profile		 Author: Elena  (---.dialup.itte.kz)
Date:   04-12-06 03:01

In my opinion, from the beginning, all these debats between Uri, Ronnie from one side and Smiling, Angel and Olga from other one couldn't have any successful (happy) end. I wouldn't like to write too much about it but this discussion was like some silly, child's dispute what is better - an apple or a pear. This question hasn't right answer so it is called "rhetorical question". One person like an apple, other - a pear. As many people live in this world so many opinions they have. Different persons have also different tastes. Russian proverb says:" Somebody likes the priest, somebody - his wife, but somebody likes his daughter".:))) Only one though here was absolutely right - 'love has nothing to do with age'. I am agree with it because nobody knows what age will have that person who will be able to make your heart to jump out your chest...

To Katya: Peace and love to your life, dear Katya, you are really lucky.:))

To Smiling: Happy marriage and life together with your beloved man, dear Nadya! Don't forget all us.:)))

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (125.244.115.---)
Date:   04-12-06 03:17

Uri

The American women do not go here in the Internet to Russia, they feminist - such you the American men have made them. I familiar with some American women - the majority of them refuse to do homework in the house, to give birth to children before reception of the career. I speak - about the educated women, but not about chicken))) I see that many American women are deceived in Turkey and in Egypt. Why? Because they struggled for the Independent woman - men have ceased to concern to them as to the woman. But the woman began to search for it in east men - beautiful words, etc.
Russian woman is ready to work on the house, to work at job, to give birth to children and to be gentle, tenderly and openly to express love to the man - and all this to do simultaneously is to search you Americans in us.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (125.244.115.---)
Date:   04-12-06 03:30

Certainly there are people similar to a pear and an apple. The love has no age is too the truth. The old apple certainly will want to like a young green apple, but the green apple not always understands that waits for her when there will come years and there will come Winter.))))

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (125.244.115.---)
Date:   04-12-06 03:37

Wedding it is good. It even is interesting, that you find time to answer all at a forum. They here bite all you)) a photo to them give (to them necessarily it would be desirable that you were awful - that compare you and Kate Russian speak - ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ???? )))) - you have decided to lead her by all traditions of Englishmen with the invitation of all or it will be that that another?

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (125.244.115.---)
Date:   04-12-06 03:38

Smiling ;)


Wedding it is good. It even is interesting, that you find time to answer all at a forum. They here bite all you)) a photo to them give (to them necessarily it would be desirable that you were awful - that compare you and Kate

Russian speak - ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ???? )))) - you have decided to lead her by all traditions of Englishmen with the invitation of all or it will be that that another?

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-12-06 04:04

dear Angel, no problem for me to answer here- there is a second phone line for Internet in my flat. This forum is only one way to improve my reading and writing( My English exam include Speakng,Listening, Writing, Reading and Grammar). Any way I spend alot of time, reading English books, listning recodes, watching English TV, stading in the BC.

And about living in the UK:They don't go to another abbey with their rules.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-12-06 04:07

Dear Elena, thank you for wishes, it was very kind of you.

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-12-06 17:28

Olga
where did you go to? We would like to hear from you this is your thoughts and what do you think??????

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-12-06 18:55

Smiling
I have just got through talking to Katya and she said for me to tell all of you that you took her wrong about not liking Russian that she was a Russian and prod of it ! and a lot of her family still live there. it is that she didn't like the way Russia men was and that she was not talking about her country but until you live out side of Russia you can not under stand how much different that it is. and she was saying that was the reason that she would never go back to live there.

Angel

Now Angel lets me and you have a discussion Lets use you format about men, now lets turn it around to the women and we will use Katya
for her age she was 28 like you when she got married Katya is now 34 we will use you and me for the ( example ) I am about the age that Robert was when they got married.

Now are smallest child is 2 and she will start to school when she is 5 add three years on to that ( Angle) you are now 37 and I (Ronnie) is 63 and the smallest girl go to school for 12 years (Angle) you are 49 now, and I (Ronnie) 75 and then she goes to collage for 4 years and you are now (Angle) is 55 years old and I (Ronnie) am 79 and not dead yet . Now what kind of younger man would want a women 55 it is not unusual for a man to marry down now tell me how many women you know of that married down you will have to marry up again . so what is the big deal we are both to old to get anyone else so we can just set around a grip at each other (Smile) Just something to think about ????????
what if I live to be 90 then you will be 66 and have 10 grand children. now do you want a man then?????? we never no when we we will die that will be up to the good lord we both could die tomorrow and where has it got us .

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Profile		 Author: Olga  (---.dsidata.sk)
Date:   04-13-06 00:01

Hi Ronni

Ronni I think Angel spoke about years of the husband, but not wives. I have which grandmother of 80 years is a child for which the permanent care is necessary. If Kate 55 years for 79 years husbands her price for expensive life))) wants to be the Nurse in her is) she cannot leave, but also the life of her will be similar to a hell. When there is a fate and the husband to become the invalid is a fate, but itself to choose this way it already silly. And I do not think that her children will be glad to such old father.

It not the fact that you will live till 90 years and if to follow your principle after the woman will measure the husband will be lonely and not for whom is not necessary up to her will measure....

Why you so are confident that the man can in 54 years as you, to marry the young woman - and the woman in 55 years already in a coffin and not to whom is not necessary. A good principle.

It not the fact that you will live till 90 years and if to follow your principle after will measure the husband even in 64 years, the woman will be lonely and not for whom is not necessary to her death....

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (---.tz.ru)
Date:   04-13-06 00:22


Ronnie - You are not right. I lived abroad in good conditions. But I never would say that I have never returned home because there "dirty". I am not sold for 33 silver coins. I would say that I shall live there where my heart, but not there where my full and full stomach)))

Olga you on 100 % of the right.
Ronnie I was married and I have the son to which now 9 years. I shall be the young woman when he will be the adult.

But if to speak about future children. I would not want to have in an old age of years of small children and the child of the husband.;-)))

Interestingly Kate and her husband made the marriage contract. I know that many Russian women do not do it. We in Ukraine and Russia are not brought up thus. But then we bite the elbows when there come surprises from foreign men. The American women for example it is in this respect cleverer than us. They think of the future of future children at once.

Nobody can be confident the other person on 100 %.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-13-06 01:50

Dear Olga, Angel , I would like to advise you to read very interesting artickels about mentaly of people , living in different countries. I think you will like this reading and that helps you to understand who is who and who you need for life.
www.antidate.org >?????? ??? ????? ?? ??????? ANTIDATE >?????????????

I understand clearly for myself- Not every nation man is suitable for me.
I will be really glad if these artickels help you.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (---.koreabusplaza.ru)
Date:   04-13-06 03:31

Thanks Smiling,

good site about men with which it is not necessary "to be friends" and about secrets of attitudes of men with which nevertheless have decided to be friends)))

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-15-06 13:00

Girls

This is life experience on my part and what I have went through , my father is 91 now and still work on his farm. now my mom died when she was 34 and you never know when you will die, that was in 1967 my dad had 3 children to try and raise and he never remarried it was very hard on him and I respect my father. and there is no way that I would never tell him that he was to old to be my father. age has nothing to do with being a good parent I respect my father for what he has done to try and raise us.

Now do you know how many children in this world would just be glade to have someone to call mother or father.

And do you know how much it would have meant to me to have a mom at any age and it wouldn't have meant everything to me and to be able to go and talk to her when I need her but I didn't, and for her to teach me things that would have help me in life later on. it seam to me that you girls are more interested in you self and your education, education has nothing to do with being a good parent or what would be in the best Interest for your child do you think that age would keep him from taking you child fishing or camping or to a park or doing thing with them. or would it be to more embarrassing for you? it sounds like you are thinking of your self more and a perfect marriage and there is no such thing .

Now this is what happen to me and is just my thoughts. I don't want to a fend anyone here. but until you have walk in someone else's shoes you can't say anything.

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Profile		 Author: Toni  (---.dialup.sarkor.uz)
Date:   04-16-06 04:54

Hi!
No. It is abnormal. Mismatch most likely is made by calculation. Except for that it is too much distinctions, than the general. Even from the physiological point of view. When for the woman it will be in the prime of life necessary the man, whether the man it will be capable to satisfy its needs. I seriously would think of a place of the man before to make such step. I think, that the age is defined not date fixed on a paper, in a condition of soul. Nevertheless, the difference in 25 years - is too great.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (193.26.13.---)
Date:   04-16-06 06:46

It is good, that your father is still alive. You think that your father was happy in private life? I think that he is unhappy. To remain in 52 years with 3 children is a test. It only proves that the big difference in the age of would do in due course the unfortunate both parties of a marriage spoilage who of them has not died the first. If he was younger it he would arrange the private life probably (3 children are good luggage). If your father did not want to marry probably only because there was no American woman with the big heart to live on a farm and to bring up 3 another's children or children did not want other mother. You the egoist if you think, that other woman was not necessary for your father. he is lonely now. But not each person, it is especial the man can tell aloud, that he has badly lived the life.

He the man it is hard for him with 3 children. The woman 3 children one is many times more awfully. I only want to tell, that all people are mortal, but the percent of death increases with the years. What for to prepare for itself to be the widow ahead of time))
It is hard to tell as well your parents would live if to him there were now to him 91 year and her 73 years. The difference when to her of 45 years, and to him of 65 years is especially strongly felt.

I cannot understand 1000 examples of a marriage between old American men and young Russian women, but I did not read that the American young girl has left for old not the rich grandfather from a farm)))
To you 54 years and you have children. You have left small children or they already adult? You want to have children from the young girl?




To you 54 years and you have children. You want to have children from the young girl?

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-16-06 07:25

Angel
you have some of it wrong my father and mother was the same age. they both was 34 when she died but think for the letter. so we all growed up with out a mother at home it was very had on us children with out that part of the family we had to learn every thing on are owen. and no my dad never want to date anyone it wasn't if he could not have found someone he just lost a part of his life, and never wanted to have anyone else and yes my dad had women that wanted to go out with him and did not that all that I was saying that was his choice but it did hurt us kids.

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   04-16-06 07:55

Girls
you have never heard said that I was looking for someone of 25. but I have said that I would like to find some one with Katya family values but then everyone has their owen thing. and that is not for me to judge them each person has to do what they think is best in life for for them.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   04-16-06 08:16

Dear Ronnie, I am sorry , that your father had such hard life. He gave his live his children. And they must be very thanksful him. Your father is extraordinary man. But I don't think he is a happy man. To be happy everybody needs love and be loved not only by children, everybody needs love woman or man for common life.

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Profile		 Author: Toni  (---.dialup.sarkor.uz)
Date:   05-20-06 03:16

Smiling
Very true remark. It completely agree with your opinion.

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Profile		 Author: Olesya  (---.parma.ru)
Date:   05-24-06 13:13

Hi everybody!
I was reading your correspondence for a long time… You will never come to the conclusion. As to me, partly I agree with Angel, Olga and Smiling, partly with men. Girls, you are absolutely right, clever and well educated girl will never get married to an old man, but… But life is too difficult. Do you know that Charlie Chaplin was older than his wife for 30 years? He died on her arms she loved him. Young woman loved old man, why? Do you think only because of his money or famous? But to my mind he was a very interesting man with a wide outlook. It is difficult to ignore such men, even with huge difference in age. To tell the truth I can not fall in love with old man too, as Angel, Smiling and Olga, but I understand that people are very different, and maybe some of girls who became wives of old men did not want fall in love with such men too. Young woman can come under elder man’s charm and charisma. I respect old people, and do not want hurt somebody’s feelings, all people get older with every year. I hope that one day I will a granny for somebody too. I do not feel fear thinking about age, maybe a little. I think that people (most part of them) with huge difference in age can not be happy for a long time in a marriage. People from different generation are too different, younger generation has to find it’s own way in life, achieve it’s aims and find it’s own place in this big world. But nobody can be insured against love. I think a lot of people know this proverb: “Never speak never”. Elder generation won it’s laurels, but younger has to deserve it. It is great to get older at the same time, together, help each other in old age. And I think that most part of men which marry young women are selfish persons. I am going to explain why… So, I think that young woman can fell in love with elder man easily. Usually men over 40 are interesting, know a lot about life, wise good listeners and so on. Young and naïve girls can easily fall in love with wise and interesting men, which know a lot about women and can pay court to women in such a way that she can not refuse to be his wife. Usually young men are lacking of experiences and sometimes look awkward in comparison with older men. But if old man really loves his young girl, he has to think her future with him over and over again. Yes, they will be happy with her. If she really loves him she would nurse about him when he would be very old or ill, would never through him away form her life. But is it justice??? Do you want your own daughters have such future? What did you do when you were young? Recall your youth, your dreams, wishes… Were you dreaming about women about 60 all the nights? Probably everything was absolutely different. You should always remember that most part of young girl do not marry elder men but sell themselves to them. People in such marriage are not equal, I think everybody understands it. A lot of young woman wants support, not only financial. A lot of girls living without father, want to marry elder man to fill empty in their lives. So we can see easily that in such marriage people make not realized transaction. She gives him her youth and beauty and he gives her his support. As I have already written, support can be not only financial, but moral. Girls from families without father become wives of old men oftener than girls from families without father. They are trying to make up a deficiency from their childhood. So, dear men, you have “a lot of choice”. You can marry girl with psychic problems, you may marry girl with great love to money and you have a very little chance to find a real love with young girl. You can burn oneself thousands times and never find loving young girl. You can be happy together for a long time. You can live together for 20 or 30 years, but one day (sorry for this) old husband would die. So, does old man think about future such woman??? For example a woman about 30 get married to man about 60. So, after 30 years she will be 60 and he will be a man about 80 and when he die she will be alone. People normally have to meet their old age together, they have a lot of common interests they can help each other. But what about such unhappy widow? What should she do? Old men doom young women to loneliness in old age without any moral support form him. Dear old men, do not be so egoist, do not doom younger women to loneliness in empty house with pictures and thoughts about her past happy life. When men get married with young women they do not think about future their young wives, they think only about their feelings. They feel pride, thinking about their young wives and their self-appraisal increases in geometrical progression. There’s no any love only selfishness. If you love somebody you will never think only about your future and happy life, but you will think about future your wife or husband. I am not sure that I will never fall in love with man over 37, but I want to find somebody from my generation, with common approach to life, common interests and aims in life. Different generations have nothing common (of course it is only my point of view). One day (as I have already written) I would be an old woman (about 60, 70 and so on) and I know that I would not have common aims, thoughts, wishes and so on with man which younger me for 20 or 30 years. And I will never take offence with him knowing that I am old for him. We have to think about ourselves without archness and with understanding that everything has it own time and place, and everybody has his/her own daybreak (youth) and elder generations should help younger find their own place in life. We should not envy younger people, and take offence with their youth thinking that it is not justice to you. I am young (27 years old) but there’re a lot of younger girls than me 18 for example. I have a very handsome neighbour. He is 18 years old. But I have never thought about dating with him, he is a child for me. And it is not offensive to think about it. How could we take offence with nature and time? So, dear elder men, we are wiser and more experienced than younger people and you should never take offence with Olga, Angel and Smiling and me. You should show younger generation advantages NOT disadvantages of your age. Show your politeness, wisdom and authority to younger. One man in this site wrote that Kate is better than Angel, Olga and Smiling because she did not put her profile on site, she find her husband by herself.… So, we have to be higher and do not use such expressions, that man should explain what he does on this site. Why he does not find somebody by himself. So, everybody can think he means that women on different sites are not worth to get to know. I am sure he wrote this because of his offence to girls’ expressions about men’s age. But as I have already written, you should be understanding and wiser than younger people. You have such treasure that we can get only with ages. I understand girls’ feelings and share it. I want to find a man from 27 to 37. I do not find a man over 37. It is my choice, but I am not sure that I will never fall in love with a man elder than 37. But I will never get to know a man over 37 with aim to get married with him. I can be only a friend for such a man. I explained why. I want to get older with my husband. I do not want to become a widow at 40 or 50 years old. Angel, Smiling and Olga are ambitious and clever girls and you should understand their youthful maximalism. I can not agree with Kate. She wrote that it is intolerable to buy a pair of choose for 300 dollars. I like such shoes too. And dear Kate, good pair of chose costs money. You wrote about food and things for children. But as for my child, he has everything he wants. I am not rich, but I am not poor. I can buy a pair of good chose and do not notice anything bad in it. It is not a very good habit, counting somebody’s money besides your own. Kate you wrote that nobody could judge about you without knowing, but how could you wrote such things like these “and who would give 300 for a pair of shoes that is a stuid women to give that kind of money for their feet it could have been spent for food for there children not for them self” How can you name Smiling stupid without knowing her? Could we speak on this site without hurting each other’s feelings. When I saw this site for the first time I thought that people in this site are trying to understand each other better and exchanging with each other with their advices, opinion and so on. But now it seems to me that people turn into cats and dogs on this site trying to hurt somebody’s feelings. It is a pity. Well educated, people with a wide outlook should not treat each other like cats to dogs. We are from different countries with different traditions, customs and we have a chance to understand each other’s culture better speaking in this forum. Maybe we will not find wives and husbands but real friends. It is very good too. We can become foes very easy, but lets try to become friends. Lets think before typing rough things hearting somebody’s feelings. Lets respect ourselves respecting other people. Selfish is not good trait of character.
Oh, now I’m selfish too, I make you read such a long message, like a story. Sorry. (LOL)

Toni wrote:

> Smiling
> Very true remark. It completely agree with your opinion.

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Profile		 Author: KENT  (---.dynamic.mts.net)
Date:   05-24-06 14:38

I WOULDN'T WRITE YOU HUN IF IWAS 30...........HEEE, HEEE.......

WITHOUT PRJUDICE, GRANDMA......

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   05-24-06 19:51

300 dollar shoes??? Are you out of your mind? Men-watch out for this one--and any woman who has 30 or 40 pairs of shoes!! SHe may also have 30 or 40 purses to match these shoes,as well as 30 or 40 dresses to match the shoes. Mark my words "You WILL lose your closet space!"

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Profile		 Author: Olesya  (---.parma.ru)
Date:   05-24-06 21:37

Out of mind? But where is your politeness? It is not your busy what shoes I should buy. Where are your good manners?

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Profile		 Author: Olesya  (---.parma.ru)
Date:   05-24-06 21:42

Why men on this site are too agressive? Maybe you have to take some lessons of good manners before writing someone...

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   05-25-06 01:06

Thank you, Olesya. Your big writing here is very right. But don't hope .that all Americans will understand you. Therefore I prefered not to answer Ronnie and Kate. I have different views from them.And it is my views.

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Profile		 Author: Olesya  (---.parma.ru)
Date:   05-25-06 03:57

Smiling
Yes, now I see that there was no use in writing my letter, nobody understand it except russain girls like me...

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   05-25-06 12:09

Well, maybe I should not jump in this too far (lol). But there is an itch, in my head about some of the things being said here.
For the guys that have not been envolved with FSU, or maybe any third
world country, money has a different meaning. First, they do not have "credit", they pay for phone service up frunt, they pay for car up frunt. So when they have money, it is to spend, and the way they spend it is there "social status" da. In America, it would be the guy's Porsche, or tricked out pickup 4x4, or what ever.
So 300 shoes, or 3000 spinning wheels, same difference (lol).

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Profile		 Author: Olesya  (---.parma.ru)
Date:   05-25-06 13:40

In Russia we judge about social status not by the way of spending money or by somebody's shoes but by the guy's Porsche too, as in most part of countries. Andy you are not Russian, you can not speak without hesitating such things. You can spend a lot of time in any country but do not understand everything you see and you will never know all about native people in my country. Social status includes in a lot of things like good education prestige work. And if you have good aducation and well paid job you can buy a lot of things and a good expensive car too. And shoes for 300 $ were bought not for showing my social status and I do not say in every coner "Look at me! I am wearing shoes for 300$" I buy it because I like comfort, such shoes are made of better leather, than cheap one. I buy it not for prestige, I like good leather of high quality. Tell me, how much people in this site can say that they are from America and they earn for 100000$ a year? I can buy such shoes and I earn about 100000$ a year. I am from third world country, you are from the first world country... (LOL)

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   05-25-06 16:21

well, Olesya, I did not point my thoughts at you, just in general. But I must marvel at your earning 100,000 a year, as teacher. What you teach?
Also you may be correct, I may never all about your "native people", but I have been emotionaly and intimatly involved with Russian lady for 3 years.
And I have been in your country many times. In fact I just returned, only Monday night, and will most than likely be back by next weekend.

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Profile		 Author: Sam  (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   05-25-06 21:49

I had been hoping this thread would soon die, but it just won’t! It was a topic that offered not a serious inquiry, and more than anything else reflected the secret resentment of the person who started it, resentment about the fact that men are able to go after younger women! Of course the topic was juicy and attracted a lot of posts, mostly about nothing!

At its face value, the question contains its own answer! No! It is not “normal” for a man to be 25 years older than his wife! Even fifteen years is not “normal” but having agreed to that bit of common sense, where do we go from there? We certainly do not discover something that will alter anyone’s choice or even explain others’ choices to our satisfaction. So, what was the point other than to automatically get a license to sit in judgment of others who make such choices? Is that what this thread was all about: yet another way to rush to judgment of other people, their ways and their choices? At the end of the day people do what they want to do, whether we think it is normal or not, they will have their own reasons for what they want and their own consequences to reap. This topic from the beginning was meant to create a basis to ridicule men who make questionable or risky choices, a ridicule that led to the men collectively being called “grandpa’s!” I don’t remember any Russian lady saying that word was rude!

But then Olga was not the only one doing this. The majority of people who post here are quick to make judgments about others, and personal attacks are more common than displays of natural curiosity about the other culture and its people. And that brings me to the point I wanted to make about our newcomer’s post, Olesya, saying how the men are aggressive! And the fact is they are. They are as aggressive as the women are judgmental & sensitive to every statement made and sometimes to each word! Yes, by Russian standards Americans are rude! I like my fellow Americans & Canadians; but unfortunately they think our sense of humor is a universal language! I am sure our Canadian friend who posted, “I WOULDN'T WRITE YOU HUN IF IWAS 30...........HEEE, HEEE” doesn’t mean to be rude to Olesya; he’s probably a decent fellow in many ways; but he simply doesn’t know how to address a Russian lady whom he does not know! He may be surprised to hear that only last year Russia’s most popular male rock star soon regretted the fact that he used publicly one profane word in responding to a lady journalist’s question: he was convicted in court; fined heavily, and was publicly condemned in virtually every major newspaper or talk show in the country. Generally speaking manners are very important in Russia; I know because I have seen it first hand; what matters in America, generally speaking, is being able to shoot off our mouth, or pen in this case, and being funny!

I am not taking sides here; the more I read things in forums; the more I read political news, and the more countries I visit and begin to like, the more I feel I am a man without a country! And so I find many things regrettable in this forum: the fact that the men are aggressive and at times silly; the fact that the women take every statement from a handful of men here or take a singular life experience as bases to make judgments about all men or all Americans, Italians, Turks and so on and on. So how about if we all agreed on two basic ideas about how to co-exist on a forum? One; do not make collective judgments about an entire culture when all you know about them is a few posts or letters from a few strangers. Two, if someone posts something stupid, rude, or silly, just ignore them! I have been doing it most of the time! It works! As I see it, I won’t get into the mud to teach a pig how to behave: we will both get dirty, but only the pig likes it!

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Profile		 Author: Toni  (---.dialup.sarkor.uz)
Date:   05-26-06 00:16

I think, that any of Russian women does not wish to deride or offend the man of the grown-up on age. It not so. I assure you. More likely it sounded as caution from a mistake in a choice, disappointments and mental anguish. I think, that the age is a condition oppress, bodies.
The question was about the friend. Young ladies frequently use men is much more senior than itself on age to leave for other country. Through certain time submit on divorce and section of property.
Besides a difference in physiological development. Excuse for frankness, but there comes the period when the man "cannot", and to the woman in the prime of life " it it is necessary ". The man will suffer besides.
For this reason to men who want to marry young girls, it is necessary to think well. Initially about itself and about the future of this girl.
I agree, that each person has the right of a choice. But it is necessary to do a choice is considered.
I welcome a difference in the age of, but in reasonable limits.

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Profile		 Author: Toni  (---.dialup.sarkor.uz)
Date:   05-26-06 00:23

"He may be surprised to hear that only last year Russia’s most popular male rock star soon regretted the fact that he used publicly one profane word in responding to a lady journalist’s question: he was convicted in court; fined heavily, and was publicly condemned in virtually every major newspaper or talk show in the country. "
This fact really was. Besides this Russia's most popular male rock star, has been married to the woman is twice more senior than him on age. Now the marriage has broken up. It once again confirms, that is necessary to make the considered choice.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (193.26.13.---)
Date:   05-26-06 03:39

A succesful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.

A succesful woman is one who can find such a man. )))))))

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   05-26-06 08:21

A unsuccesful man is one that finds such a woman )))))

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Profile		 Author: Olesya  (---.parma.ru)
Date:   05-26-06 09:15

Andy, you’re absolutely right. Teachers can’t earn 100000$ a year, but why do you think it is the only possible way for me to get money? Besides, I work at school only 8 hours a week and I can not earn even 300$ there. I am going to leave my work because I have my own small business. I work at school last year. I have my own business only recently, but hope everything will be all right.

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Profile		 Author: Olesya  (---.parma.ru)
Date:   05-26-06 09:28

Sam, to tell the truth I was surprised at phrase “I WOULDN'T WRITE YOU HUN IF IWAS 30...........HEEE, HEEE”. And I do not understand such jokes. Normal people never write such jokes to unknown people...

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Profile		 Author: Toni  (---.dialup.sarkor.uz)
Date:   05-26-06 10:43

Andy: A unsuccesful man is one that finds such a woman )))))

The main thing that two loving hearts have found each other. Cultural wealth is always higher material. What difference boots and what their quantity if heart is broken how many cost? The most expensive are feelings of the person. It is necessary to concern to them carefully

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Profile		 Author: Lorentz  (---.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   05-26-06 17:59

Sam, - Once again you have established yourself as the “poster child” of “posting.” You have hit the nail on the head in stating what this thread both is and has for the most part been about. With 78 posts and growing, -what does that say about the self resolving question in this particular neck of the woods ?? – So to do my part in moving toward the 100 post mark, I would hope that you might allow me to have your thoughts on a couple of points that you did not touch upon. As I was reading your note here, I considered that there may be further issues that affect this subject beyond those of bad attitude, lack of consideration and cultural differences. I’ll air a couple of them out.


The first thing that came to mind was the completely “unreal” nature of the medium that we utilize to interact here. There are so many things that are askew from what “real” social interaction is all about, it is difficult to decide upon where to begin. I would consider that it is easily agreed that MANY folks elect to not represent themselves or behave on line, as in ‘real life’- in person. This indicates a mindset of already accepting of the fantasciful sub-reality of “The Net.” The entire underlying concept, of any “dateline”- that a person can simply sign on and ‘go shopping’ for true love, as they might if they were seeking to acquire a good used car, I would surmise, seems no less ridiculous to the logical observer standing in Russia than it does to some counterpart in the U.S. – For those who engage in the effort, I have observed that all act a bit “braver” while sitting behind the safety of their computer screen, and I think more prejudiced, picky and judgmental than what they might ordinarily be. – I think this applies equally to the women as well as the men.


Of all the ways that this premise manifests itself, the initial glare comes from the fact that all the representations we make to ourselves about the individual we are interacting with are based on information that is nearly as useless as it may be misrepresentational. Completely disregarding the issue of photo’s as being too voluminous to include here, - every single site I have seen, sorts primarily ( after gender,) by AGE. – This absolutely does not occur in the “real world,” and places WAY TOO MUCH FOCUS on it here.
( Yes, this is true for me too, - take a look at my profile on the bottom right corner.) Personally, I am aware of no society that has its’ populous stroll around with the number of years they have been alive stamped on their forehead. – What ‘that guy’ meant to say was that while beauty may only be skin deep, - ugly is to the bone. – Attraction and interest in the real world is not predicated upon seeing someones birth certificate before you say hello. Of the gagillion examples I can think of, perhaps the easiest of all is that “Charlies Angels” movie that co-stars Demi Moore, who is my age, - and on the beach in a Bikini, not only measures up to her three 25 year old co-stars, but knocks them off the screen. To immediately quell any argument from the peanut gallery that this is some extreme exception, - I can site multiple member numbers from this site of women over the big “3-0” who will measure most favorably against any that are “25 years or less”- as this thread ‘supposedly’ addresses –( was started by a “26” year old who is actually 31.)


As one post discusses geriatric erectile dysfunction and another, young widowhood, these members seem to have their ducks in the wrong row. Putting the cart before the horse is much more likely to lead to an ‘unshared’ and wasted sexual prime, and young “old maid-hood.” –Whatever happened to all those Georgians from the Dannon Yogurt Commercials ?? – If it is true that the average life expectancy in the Ukraine is 59, it seems obvious that the women of the FSU need to adjust their thinking to the rest of the free world, should they intend to continue to interact with it. The U.S. does not have the longest average life span of any country, and it is still about 20 years more. ( Another interesting statistic is that the AVERAGE, so “normal” age difference in 2nd marriages in the U.S. has the husband separated by ten plus years from his younger wife, and these unions last in much higher percentages than do 1st marriages, a difference which would probably seem odd if you were in grade school. )


Understanding this while becoming aware of the fact that the U.S is “graying” might also be helpful. The common birth year for the greatest number of Americans is 1959; - the peak of the “Baby Boom.” ( Unstated that something far different was going on in the FSU during this time. ) The years from ’47 to ’63 comprise by far, the greatest section of the populous, - in other words, making most male U.S. citizens “Grandpa’s” by infamous Olga standards. (– I cannot speak to the age groupings in Turkey or various other countries.) Not coincidentally, the rest of the world’s most popular Rock Star, is over 65. The greatest number of our most popular actors ( Sean Connery 75, Clint Eastwood 77, James Garner 80, - Jack Nicholson, Harrison Ford, - Notice that not too many women seem to match the box office draw at the same ages however. ) – are getting a bit long in the tooth and YES, - IT IS NORMAL for them to engage in relations with women at least 25 years or more younger, and their female co-stars generally must be at least forty or more years younger. Much in the same way that I would worry about a 25-30 y.o.male here, who has his act together, - the rich and famous will probably not get caught looking across the globe for that which is so readily available across the street. – I suppose no female member has ever heard the name “Strom Thurmond.” Well, if they have, I can’t see how any interaction that occurs on this site would raise an eyebrow or be worth 78 posts. Since I have stuck on celebrities a bit here as examples, I am thinking that some of the female members who are not yet, should become familiar with the movie “Harold and Maude” – and see if the strong statements it makes about ‘romantic love’ survive the translation. – Hey, it’s a “Classic” – just like many of the cars made here during the year of my birth, - but not quite ready to be classified as an antique.

Chevy’s ain’t Yugo’s

Lorentz

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   05-26-06 23:14

amen

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Profile		 Author: Nata68  (195.16.72.---)
Date:   05-31-06 23:19

and older boys without money looking for girls too-it,s problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   06-01-06 08:53

Well I just heard a story yesterday, of young (28yo) Russian lady married
a 38yo American man, and now has the 1 yo baby, and she has taken leave of the man, because he was a (deadbeet) and now she only gets 150.oo/month child support, (in america), tell how much of a deadbeet she picked. So she looks for younger guy, and none want her, and now she is
looking older, and still she will not find very easy, because of her past, da

she lives in Sac, Ca.
so not only older boys not have money (smile), most younger have less!!

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Profile		 Author: Sam  (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   06-01-06 17:14

Has anyone noticed the irony in this thread with these later posts? The topic initially reflected the scorn many Eastern ladies are feeling toward men who seem to value only youth and looks in women. Now, after a few posts by our Slavic ladies the thread has transitioned into an equally distasteful display of interest in money by the ladies. Only a few weeks ago the multiple “scammer” topics were unhelpful to the impression men leave on the ladies, and I was among the few who fought those posts. I like to point out to the ladies it is not helpful, especially to their own cause, to liberally flaunt their focus on money.

How does it help to post, “A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man. )))))))”? The author of this comment may think it sounds cute to say so, but that is because she has more street smarts than real intellectual capacity to see her comment misrepresents Slavic women as merely gold hunters. This comment is a betrayal to Slavic women who in my opinion are less materialistic and more character oriented than Western women. Unfortunately we have her counterparts among our men who say equally cute but dumb things. Also, it does not help to say in this latest post by yet another newcomer “and older boys without money looking for girls too-it’s problem!!!” Is the assumption here that if a man does not have money, he should be alone and not look for anyone? I would have thought women were open to the old sentiment that there is someone for everyone out there, that happiness is possible even for two who have little money.

So, addressing the topic of this thread and the irony of what the ladies are saying in these later posts, I like to add this point. As long as women are going to flaunt shamelessly that they value material things in a man above all other things, the men may flaunt shamelessly that the greatest virtue in a woman is not her character, but rather her youth and good looks. Does that appeal to you ladies? You want us for money; just as we want you for your youth? You don’t want us if we haven’t got money; and we don’t want you if you’re not beautiful or over 35! How is that for street smarts? Do you think that such display of cute street smarts will help the exchanges on this forum? I think it is bad enough that some of the men bring their inappropriate cute remarks as their means of communication with the ladies; I wish to see the ladies on the other side stick to the careful, tasteful and considered remarks I am accustomed to getting from Real Russian ladies.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (193.26.13.---)
Date:   06-02-06 00:30

Sam
I always knew that the American men badly know a history of the country. The phrase "?????????????????????succesful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.
A succesful woman is one who can find such a man" - belongs Lana Turner - to your well-known American film actress, which vein with 1920 for 1995. In the 20 years - she was a star of Hollywood. It is your American mentality. You with such ease name here all scammers, that I would like to ask you: " you are casual not the God? ")) it is not a shame to you, that the well-known phrases of your well-known people are known by us - simple slavic people, and you Americans - with the narrow structure of formation - except for how to cling dirty "labels" to other people of nothing are able

I for phrases of your surgically made stars - do not hold the answer.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (193.26.13.---)
Date:   06-02-06 00:31

Sam

I always knew that the American men badly know a history of the country. The phrase "succesful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A succesful woman is one who can find such a man" - belongs

Lana Turner - to your well-known American film actress, which vein with 1920 for 1995. In the 20 years - she was a star of Hollywood. It is your American mentality. You with such ease name here all scammers, that I would like to ask you: " you are casual not the God? ")) it is not a shame to you, that the well-known phrases of your well-known people are known by us - simple slavic people, and you Americans - with the narrow structure of formation - except for how to cling dirty "labels" to other people of nothing are able

I for phrases of your surgically made stars - do not hold the answer.

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Profile		 Author: Andy  (---.63-199-68.atginternet.com)
Date:   06-02-06 07:50

Hmmmm, Angel did a double click, interesting, but your answer, is good, except, for myself and many Americans with IQ of 90 or better do not pay attention to Hollywood. Most say what there told by publicist, to say, to get attention, or it is in the skript, and it could have been a "man" wrote the skript, for her, and never forget the "EGOS" of thies people, da.

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Profile		 Author: Sam  (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   06-02-06 07:57

Angel,

Last week you agreed with Lana Turner that a successful man should make more money than his wife can spend, and this week you are a simple Ukrainian woman who complains about the materialist Americans! And somehow you think you can come out of this contradiction cleanly by passing yourself off as an expert on history, as if knowing about Lana Tuner is real history!

I will not engage you in a debate beyond this one reply because clearly you are not honest and brave enough to take responsibility for your own statements. It makes no difference who originally made the statement you used; it remains a statement that is embarrassing to women because it makes them appear focused on money. Besides, I already HAVE SAID that I consider American women to be more materialistic than Slavic ladies, so there should be no surprise that an American woman said it first! What is the surprise and what you do not address in your reply is that it has become your argument too! Also, Lana Turner said this when she was gorgeous, very rich and famous and simply wanted to say something provocative because she was in show business. She could afford to say this! She was not an obscure Ukrainian woman -with children- trying to find men on a web site, while representing the women of her culture on a forum in which she complains American men are too materialistic! Can you even see the contradiction in your actions and words! The impropriety of your comment does not go away just because you borrowed it from an American.

Even more surprisingly, you remind me of the scammers threads; I argued against those threads and repeated that they made Americans look bad. And now I am cautioning women like you not to make Slavic women appear materialistic by making the comments you made! In essence I have been on your side; most of my posts clearly have been critical of my American countrymen here for being self-absorbed, materialistic, and ill-mannered at times. I think you are smart enough to see all this; you simply lack the courage and honesty to recognize what you said was at least unhelpful even to your own arguments! So let’s agree not to argue because I have nothing else to say to someone who won’t stand behind her own words or be clever enough to take them back when they prove to be inappropriate.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   06-04-06 14:56

There are some people here, like Sam, who allow to judge people, not thinking like him. Sam, you are not God.Remember it! I think , dear Sam, it will be hard for you to find a woman, who will be patient with you for long time- you speak too much. Don't try to teach people here and anywhere ,too. That looks silly.
You can't speak such way with Angel.

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Profile		 Author: Sam  (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   06-04-06 16:29

Smiling, only a month ago when you read one of my earlier posts on the “definition of love” which drew positive remarks from many, you wrote that I had too idealistic view of love and of the woman I had written about and that I was going to be disappointed all my life! Today you write I am so difficult no woman will be patient with me!! Even putting aside the contradiction in your opinions of me, the larger contradiction is that you are playing God, not me! I do not make predictions about your future or Angel’s’ nor do I try to describe the entirety of your character as you do with me. I simply point out an opinion on your statements, and my opinion, unlike yours about me, is common sense: it does not help the image of Slavic ladies trying to make acquaintances in the west to define successful men by how much money they make and how women are successful if they get such men. I don’t need to be God to say so! Even introduction agencies all across Ukraine and Russia tell their ladies not to even mention money in their initial contact with men.

Everybody here posts opinions; my opinion here is not meant for my benefit, it is for the benefit of the ladies in your part of the world. My opinion shows I have a higher opinion of the Slavic ladies than some of your posts allow men to have. I post my opinion because many men who read on this forum know very little about Russia and Ukraine. Some of the things they read here become the bases of their opinions of your people. That is partly why we have had the “scammer” posts: these men think that most Slavic women are interested in money only. I wish some of them would post their questions on this forum rather than write to me as many have done. Do you really think the comments I complained about helped the image of your women? If you can’t see the value of my opinion, ignore it by all means and write more about $300 a pair shoes and importance of money!

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Profile		 Author: Uri  (---.ontrca.adelphia.net)
Date:   06-04-06 21:02

Sam, I am sure there are a lot of guys like me that make noise every once in a while, but we spend time reading what is being said here on the forum
I want to take this opportunity to thank you for your wisdom. you are demonstrating great understanding of many issues. just about every time you post somthing , you are `speaking my mind,and express my thoughts better then I could ever do.but with all fairness to the ladies from the FSU, we need to bring a lady from the FSU to speak on their point of view,some one on your level of safistication . it is clear to me by now that some of our panel here is not representing the women there, at least I hope they don't.I am very hopful to find a great woman there,and I hope I will not run in to to many of those who are fishing for money or shoes ,and not a relationship.

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Profile		 Author: Lorentz  (---.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   06-05-06 05:20

SAM; - Well here we are,… posting ever closer towards breaking that 100 mark on this ridiculous thread. I will not point out just now, that you have yet to respond to my idea about the internet misrepresenting folks, simply by it’s nature of allowing them too much opportunity, and temptation to do so, – as I can see that you have your hands full with the “Gender Tango” – which is usually my position here on these pages. – You have apparently missed the object lesson directed so often at me, – that it is perfectly acceptable for the females here to, without provocation, be overtly rude and personally insulting, - and if you respond at all, - it is you then who is behaving out of line, not she. Move to the right and you are a woman hater and abuser and must respect them as “ladies.” Move to the left and you are a gender bias, discriminatory chauvinist. Go figure….

It does however, more so than in my case, seem a bit two-faced for the very same “individuals” who offered you such glowing accolades on the threads you penned that agreed with them, to so quickly resort to nonsensical personal insult ( ..I have no recollection of you making any claim of divinity, ) - and attempting to dictate how you should speak to another- ( which of course, and in truth, is in any manner, using any language that darn well pleases you.) – in essence, the very first time you offer the slightest disagreement with them. Obviously basic elemental dishonesty is at play, - the question to be weighed is, which of the two, the compliments or the personal insults are the more sincere ?? The most fascinating part is that they will both expect and demand that you apologize, - but make it crystal clear that hell will freeze over before they might.

In answer, I should like to echo what Uri has said and agree that it would be nice to see a greater representation by women here in Forum, with the caveat that the representation actually be representative of the women who are actually on New Dating for the purpose of dating. Of the major “Fem” contributors, three immediately come to mind as being married. I can prove that Quasimodo missed some notorious scammers that were right under his drippy snout, ( the start of this thread has no superior example, ) – and the balance of the more than ‘one-liners’ seem to be those resigned to believing that the date line will not provide what they seek, but continue to show up anyway apparently able to discover no better use for their free time. – You have stated that your overall experience with Russian women is not reflected in what has been expressed by some of the women participants here. To take this further, my limited interactions by comparison, over the several months that I have been on this site, have convinced me that, those ‘ladies’ I have corresponded with, so evidencing legitimate purpose here, - are not the recalcitrant, malcontent, argumentative, hyper-negative man bashers that generally appear on these threads.

As to the perplex you find yourself in now, - if Blaine were here he would say “don’t scare the chickens away,” – but then on each occasion of him saying this, the subject of his defense proved all that he expressed about them to be completely wrong. - So, - my thought is simply state your piece and let the chips fall where they may. – Once someone has established the fact that they would compromise their integrity for a certain dollar amount, - ascertaining what the exact amount is, makes them no less prostitute. The idea that there exists any way at all for such individuals to measure a parties’ financial wherewithal is ludicrous at best, and considering how obvious it is that this determination has been arrived at only by that party’s unwillingness to throw some money at them, it becomes even more ridiculous. – Even if you were to prove the stated party enormously wealthy for the brain-trust here, they would then complain that he was too fat, or too ugly, or too boring, too liberal, or too conservative, or too short, or too smelly, or too lousy in bed, or too something!!

The only help I can offer is this:

Dear Folks, - the forgoing in no way reflects the sentiments or opinions of member “Sam.” The statements and ideas expressed above are entirely of my own creation and I take full responsibility for the contents and any meaning you may have interpreted from them. Because of this, any response or reaction that you might care to voice in regards to them should be directed at me alone as an individual, and not at all commingled with any discussion forwarded by Sam.

Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Viking.

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 Re: It is normal when the groom is more senior than the girl for 25 years?

Profile		 Author: Paco  (213.52.200.---)
Date:   06-05-06 06:51

I am very new in this ‘business’ and especially in this forum. It has helped me to understand most of the problems in order to find a FSU girl for a serious relationship and I need to admit that someone of you has personally helped more than months or years of useless experience.

First of all, I would like to tell you that I am not here to judge anyone who wants to find a 25 years younger girl or woman interested only in rich men. Every one here is enough mature to know their goals and the risks associated to their choices. However, I would like to expose to ‘our’ women in this web site my experience.

I believe at the beginning that all FSU women in these websites were genuine. Poor silly man!!! I quickly awake of my ideal dream! Then, I learn that there is a small group of authentic Russian/Ukraine women who are fiercely proud of their country, their culture and their religion, but they are only looking for Western men because they have such a tiny pool of eligible men in their country (e.g. they are already married, drunks, conscripted, unemployed, abusive, etc). Therefore, I focussed my energies to find a lady in this small group.

The women who write in this forum is very limited and you are probably part of this ‘small’ group of genuine girls. You represent with your posts the ideas of women in your countries and it is very risky to write statements like I have read above. One of the main concerns for a ‘new’ man in these pages is to know whether the women searching for Western me are really interested in love or the combination of love with money (or simply money).

I am perhaps too romantic but in my mother country (Spain) we have a saying …”with you, only bread and onion”, which means that there is no need for money with you, but only love. I don’t doubt that there are girls here who think in the same way, but your comments don’t ensure me this.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   06-05-06 07:52

Dear Paco, you are very right about the small group of Ukrainian(Russian) women. I can just add in that group women over 35,who had never been married,but have a child and who live in regions, not in main cities.
Our women under 35 are the same as Europian women: independent, claiming, knowing their rights.Espeshially that women who live in main cities.
Good luck for you!

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   06-05-06 08:15

Sam, I like to read you here, because I like to get knowledge about people in different countries. And your minds about Russians are right for most cases. I know you are more educated than most Americans. And I don't understand you, when you use small detailes of profiles to bit and offend some people here, for example Angel. To do so is not desently for such educated man like you. Be more generous, forgiving for people. Really educated people don't need prove their position in life here. They excange minds here.
Why I don't answer all people here who try to bit me? Because it is silly to do.

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   06-05-06 08:47

I would like to add more for Sam. Angel is a very young woman, who can possibly be more successful in future than Lana Turner.She is only 26.
Dear Sam, what worse is in looking for a woman or a man in Internet? We are modern people. You are here and I was here. Many people got married thanks Internet and I don't think they are worse or less successeful than Lana Turner. It is petty to bit any people here such way, which you do ,Sam.
Sometimes, I have doubted in your education .

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Profile		 Author: Sam  (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   06-05-06 21:09

Lorentz,

This will be absolutely my last visit on this thread, but I did have some thoughts on your post and it is time I expressed them. I agree with you that the internet changes the manner in which people interact. It is like a masquerade: a mask allows people a certain kind of liberation from some basic social constraints and so they behave differently. I think internet is more likely to do so.

Not everyone is as affected by the anonymity that internet offers; I have little doubt for example if we met Tony or Elena we would find most of the same person we have seen in their posts. But there are many who take on a new face over the internet. I have noted that those with pressing emotional hang-ups and pent up social needs are more likely to project the darker, deeper elements within themselves in this medium full of people they know they do not have to meet. They find an outlet in this medium and give expression to those pent-up frustrations and needs. You read Olga’s posts and you get a sense of such deeply rooted fears, scars, and old resentments. I have little doubt that if we were to meet her face to face, she would be a friendly person with some qualities to like. Yet, over the internet, the anonymity brings out what is usually repressed: a photo and a few bits of statistics is the only real and tangible exposure of the social self; the balance is mostly rooted in what the social circles do not see: the lonely, frustrated needy self that cannot afford to come out elsewhere.

The internet offers another outlet to another group: those who lack self-esteem tend to project what they wish they were in real life or want others to think of them: and so there we get the loners and socially reclusive folks who project the lovable, fun and interesting person they are not, hoping that the romantic episodes they create over the internet fill some of the emptiness in their social life or their self esteem. A Russian lady who is my friend and works at a marriage agency commented on this to me: the unusual number of men from the States, Canada, and Scandinavian countries who are chronic internet lovers, spawning several romantic affairs over the this medium at times simultaneously. I told her I would not be surprised if she would never meet these men, and she confirmed that in fact they almost never show up!

The most common problem in internet contact, however, is a more innocent one. Letters are devoid or all other sensory inputs that we have when we actually meet someone. The absence of all the sensory information itself is a problem; but what in my opinion is more of a problem is what we substitute for what is missing. A letter arrives, we read it, and we try to imagine the context for the words on the paper; our needs and desires compel us to make these words more tangible and more real, and so we invent a voice, a nature, and a soul responsible for the words that more often represent another person’s projected hopes and dreams. Two people continue to write, feeding each other’s hunger for a special person. In time they become more a perfect fit into the empty space in each other’s lives than anyone else who actually occupied it before! When we meet this person, there will be a sharp contrast between what our unchecked desires invented and the one we meet. That is why in my opinion, it is wrong to write highly personal, emotional and romantic letters to those we have not met. Letters are really useful for introduction before a planned visit, not as means of establishing a concrete choice of the other person based what this person wrote. Internet dating is named incorrectly; it should be internet meeting, not dating!

The last thing I want to say on this matter is the nature of writing to Slavic women. They approach internet contact very differently than our women do. The Slavic women are raised with less emphasis on individuality and more on conformity. I mentioned this once before: they like to please men with what they wear, how they look and what they say. This is not by way of deceit or necessarily by way of seduction; this is simply their nature. Where as our women want to assert themselves and show their rightful place in the union from the start, the Slavic women want to show they are a natural fit: to them the ability to blend in, endure, compromise, give and retain hope is feminine virtue. They are very good at it and they do this a lot in the beginning. Only after real contact begins do you see signs of the balance of the real person; and only when you are in relations do you really get to meet the other person completely. A very common saying in Russian is that a woman has many secrets! These secrets are usually not ominous, but they are well-guarded until relations have begun. This in itself makes what is said in internet exchanges as too benign to be the bases of serious decisions or plans. Imagine all the niceties even a lonely man is able to write and feed to a pretty face he sees on the computer screen. Then multiply those universal “niceties” by this Slavic tendency to please the writer of those words, then multiply it by the fact that she knows it is a long, costly trip and you will not come unless there is desire and faith. This math alone shows you why the content of the interaction is bound to be more fiction than reality. No one is to blame; it is the nature of it.

And so, once you add the variables above to cultural differences and language barrier you begin to see how unlikely we are to find in this method someone with whom we may share a future. I too made the error of creating “relations” over the internet, with a mixture of letters and phone calls. The fact remains that not a single one of the eventual meetings were anywhere near what I had construed in my head; nor could I overcome the ensuing disappointment which at times had even legitimate reasons in view of the new discoveries. The more I did this, the more I realized the senseless nature of prolonged internet contact. I improved my methods by using internet as simply a tool for introduction. My two best successes, including the current one leading to a fiancé visa, really emerged from purchasing contact information and calling to request a meeting.

These are my thoughts on internet contacts; I know I diverged a little into slightly different subject; but I thought I may also offer something of value to those newcomers who place genuine hope into a powerful, but faceless and sometimes disingenuous medium of Internet.

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Profile		 Author: Sam  (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   06-05-06 22:05

Ron,

Thank you for your words! I agree with you completely that the Slavic ladies’ side is not well-represented. No doubt I do not see myself engaging the Ukrainian trio in any more dialogs: I find men here who have apprehensions or questions about making the transatlantic connection; I want to post things that make them believe they should do so; I like to share what I have learned in months of life in Ukraine and almost a year in Russia; and I like to make them feel that although it is a path fraught with many unknowns that in the end it is worth it. I find myself agitated as I see the superficial postings by the Ukrainian trio that more than anything else expose their superficiality, hang-ups and secret resentments. It is unfortunate that we do not have more people like Elena and Toni who are genuine people posting honest and CONSISTENT ideas.

In your reply you mentioned that there should be someone on the other side with equal sophistication. I think you are being too kind to me and them! Really most of these clashes do not arise from lack of sophistication, but rather lack of common sense! It is not an insult or a personal attack when I say an obscure Ukrainian woman with child wanting to interest Western men shouldn’t post on the site where she is searching that a successful man makes more money than his wife can spend; and a successful woman is one who has this man! It is a factual testimony to the lack of common sense between the image she needs to create about herself and what she instead is saying! I am an obscure man from the US wanting to make romantic connections in the East, but I know I cannot flaunt stereotypes associated with men in this pursuit. I would be crucified if I posted “a successful man is one who has had many Ukrainian lovers, and a successful Ukrainian woman is one who keeps this man!!” The Ukrainian trio has already called such men “rats” and the rest of us “grandpas!” But for me the name calling is not the shock; it is the complete lack of common sense!

I can only wish that men such as you and those who read these posts, and I know there are many more who read than write, will not form opinions about an entire culture based on the irrational trio’s posts. Even in Ukraine I found wonderful examples of women who are different; and for those who are wise enough to forget about Ukraine and try in Russia or other republics there are far greater number of modest women who care for character, warmth, sincerity and kindness in men. Yes, there are many women there who will not measure a man by the content of his bank account and accuse us of being materialistic!

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Profile		 Author: Smiling  (---.ukrlink.net.ua)
Date:   06-07-06 04:08

SAM: I can only wish that men such as you and those who read these posts, and I know there are many more who read than write, will not form opinions about an entire culture based on the irrational trio’s posts. Even in Ukraine I found wonderful examples of women who are different; and for those who are wise enough to forget about Ukraine and try in Russia or other republics there are far greater number of modest women who care for character, warmth, sincerity and kindness in men. Yes, there are many women there who will not measure a man by the content of his bank account and accuse us of being materialistic!



Of course, it is dream of every American to get such girl, like a slave (nice ,beutuful and not equal to them).They don't like successesful beutiful women, who are cleverer than they. I can add more they hate such women. Because such women need real men near them, who are not speaking much and count every coin , which he spent for his woman. Fortunately, it is become such women more and more in our countries.

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Profile		 Author: Lorentz  (71.116.237.---)
Date:   06-07-06 15:48

Well, Sam, - Since you have promised to not re-appear here, I will suspect that you will read how “we” close this out in your absence. No doubt the number of posts will pass 100 as I forecast, but I remain no less amazed by the fact that it has occurred. As usual, your words pretty much hit the nail on the head in your accurate description and clarifications of the issues at hand.

– Like yourself, I think it’s high time to move on to a new subject, but I feel compelled to react to Smilings latest post, as it completely reflects all the negativity you so well describe that exists in this thread. I am always amazed at the individual who feels the need to re-assert and PROVE, everything that you had discussed about them to be true.
Since it is not my desire to instigate any further bru-ha, - and for the fact that her post was not directed at me, I am going to experiment with directing my reaction towards you, - especially, for the sake of a quicker close to this already amazingly too long post page, - remembering that you Promised not to return. - So a soliloquy, if you will.

It is more than obvious that this individual is ego-reacting to you more than anything else. Unwittingly re-enforcing what you have said, she has in this reaction, again taken the opportunity to make disparaging commentary about men, - most especially “American” men, - and to what end ?? She makes it completely clear by her statement that she knows absolutely nothing about that which she speaks of, save for quick agreement with you that there are “nice girls” in the FSU. ( Whoop-tee-doo, everyone else has already agreed on this point for this thread, and that such commentary as hers is in no way reflective of the main.)

How can a person discuss wealth, when they know nothing about it ?? The same might be said of “equality.” – If you want truly “equal” treatment, you cannot continually fall back on the “Gender Tango” every single time you are not pleased with what’s going on. - Then, for her to dredge up the antiquated stereotype that men “HATE” ( her exact words) women that are not more STUPID than themselves shows she is completely out of touch with what things are like on this side of the Atlantic.( In other words, you can add this to the list of wealth and equality. ) She is overtly unaware of even the side of life here that is well discussed in the international press, - so hardly a secret to the rest of the world. American men for a long time have not needed SLAVES, - we have illegal Mexicans. You’d think nearly everyone would at least know that much. – It is for this simple reason that the U.S. Gov’t. WANTS the Mexicans here and this should be measured against the fact, in this comparative instance, that at the same time, it absolutely Does Not Want women from the FSU at all,- and no stronger message could be sent by them reflecting this.

She is so very wrong in her assessment of these issues that it belies her prejudice and bigotry not to speak of her own pseudo-intellect. I would wager that the greatest amount of the male members here are not only not “put off” but rather both intrigued and attracted by the fact that the women in the FSU, in relative terms, are intelligent and very well educated. For myself I know that if I am going to attempt to ‘bat out of my league,’ I am going to swing above it and not below it. Further, like most men here, I am much more concerned about “who” the person is and not “what” they can do for me. – Why should I not expect and even require the same consideration in return ?? - As to “beautiful sub-serveant women” – you can just guess that this individual is unattractive, – I personally am aware of no reality in which those terms can be accurately combined, outside of dreamland. For looks alone, - I’d have to say that “The Beach Boys” weren’t wrong and my Scandinavian female relatives are not known for taking a back seat to anyone. I am 100% aware of who the “weaker sex” is not. I can further see uselessness in attempting to explain for this person, that I by no means, am wealthy at all, but if she would contemplate purchasing a home within miles in any direction from the house I own, she should count on spending a minimum of a million dollars, and from 3 to 6 million or more, if she wants to be near the ocean. – As it happens, my next door neighbor is in all honesty one of the wealthiest people I know, and like many of the folks around my neighborhood, - you would not know it to look at him, by what he wears or what he drives. In any event, I can promise you that he will be sending no money to Russia to impress anyone, or even so much as offer to buy someone there a new pair of shoes.-

Let’s face it, this particular “poster” was overcome by her personal egotistical need to blow off a little steam at you and in keeping with your description, could not help but throw in a typical bit of man bashing and “America” cursing on top. I am surprised however that she might consider that no one would take the time out to point out to her that she doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about.


Sincerely, Your friendly neighborhood Viking.

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (193.26.13.---)
Date:   06-17-06 15:05

hmm..

Yes, Cleanliness of the nation Americans never differed, how however and clearness of mind (we do not pass to concrete persons is not that so Lorenz?):))))

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Profile		 Author: Lorentz  (---.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   06-18-06 10:49

Angel; If I knew what the hell you were talking about, I might be able to respond. - Besides, "passing" concrete, sounds like a severe medical condition that is metabolic in nature and calls for some serious questioning of your dietary intake. - I hope everything 'comes out' O.K.

Viking

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Profile		 Author: Lorentz  (---.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   06-18-06 15:29



Well Boys and Girls; - at one hundred and one ( that’s 101 !! ) posts on this particular – started by a scammer – thread, it seems as good a place as any to announce that – as things go,… I have had about as much fun as I can imagine having, here on this site. As -“they” say, - ‘enough is as good as a feast,’ - and in this, I am a believer. “Summer Vacation” is upon us, and as usual, the kids and I like ta “git outta Dodge” for about six or seven weeks to someplace ‘different’ each year. Unlike the, I am sure, very nice, well intended individual on one particular thread here, - you will not have to worry about me posting an essay and some photo’s about “How I Spent My Summer Vacation.” In fact, you will no longer need be concerned about seeing anything more from me at all, as – once I return home, I will not be returning here. It has come time to bid you all a fond farewell, and wish everyone best success in finding what it is they seek.

I have enjoyed the interaction ( both positive and negative, )with not only the folks that choose to appear here in Forum, but also those of much greater numbers, who have expressed ( or neglected to, ) a more personal interest, - be they legitimate or on the con. All of it has been fun, and on occasion interesting and informative. For not having intended to “land” here, ( I am obliged to say no more than this, should I wish for this post to remain, ) - I am glad that I stuck around for the time that I did. – For all the “Nay-say-ers” that may review this, I can promise you that encountering a “match” is absolutely within the realm of likely possibilities, right here on this site.

While I consider myself most fortunate to have encountered a number of very attractive prospects, I additionally had the very good luck to interact with someone who established an extremely strong connection with me, to the point of taking the necessary steps to meet. I was surprised myself that the establishment of a bond could be so mutual, ( yep, I will admit to ‘checking up’ a bit,) and so strong, without the benefit of touch, scent, sense of ‘presence’ or energy, but just over a bunch of phone lines and the mess of hardware to access them. – I should add here that I do not believe that this level of interaction could have taken place were this individual’s knowledge of English not so excellent. Honest communication is the key. - I should also add that, while “work visas” are really wonderful things to have available, unfortunately, the final outcome of the story does not have the happy ending that you might ( I know “we” did ) expect.

After all this, what we both discovered is that after overcoming all the forces that seem to work against such an encounter, there still remained that one very powerful force that affects every country and culture, no matter which side of the Atlantic you’re on, that all of us take so much for granted that it very often is (mistakenly,) ignored. That universal “force” which I speak of, - is “gravity.” – Not, of course, “Newtonian Applesauce” – but rather the pre-disposition of two bodies to be perpetually attracted to other ‘similar’ bodies. – In short, the attraction and deep interaction was absolutely “real” – just as it had been with us both, - in each case with our respective ex’s. Replacing something that has proven to ultimately not function properly, with a newer identical model makes no good sense to anyone. – In this experience of self discovery, in the future, I am really going to have to “work” at it, if I am to have any chance at overcoming gravity, - remembering that to complicate the matter, like and kind, the “other body” will additionally seek you out from all the other various possibilities. This is something no dateline can help anyone with.

So, in conclusion, if you may have any thoughts about this, feel free to stretch this thread to Mars, ( or Venus, depending on gender, ) – but understand that I will not be here to either read or comment upon them. – If you have some cordial goodbye to convey, - for the same reason immediately preceding – don’t bother. If in contrast, you have something disparaging to say, the same additionally holds true, but, you might want to wait just a little tiny bit, as I have not exactly “left” yet, and have only chosen this point as an opportune time to express my intentions and my thoughts on the subject.

Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Viking.

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Profile		 Author: Sam  (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   06-19-06 07:37

Lorentz,

I am glad to hear of your good news. I would have liked some details on your find, but given the inevitable childish comments from members of the Ukrainian Trio, I understand the reluctance. It seems evident from your find and mine that thos who approach this venture with positive ideas and a clear head about how to go about things will eventually succeed, even on this site. Feel free to share more about your progress in the future, if you wish privately. I wish you good luck in your meeting and its future. I am also leaving for Russia tonight.

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Profile		 Author: Tony Harper  (---.pink.co.uk)
Date:   07-07-06 11:25

Zdravstuite Olesya!

Kak dela?


you’re absolutely right Olesya, money will never BUY love and trust that come from the heart not the pocket.

LOVE is only given it knows no boundaries, no class no creed no age.

“To give yourself totally and unconditionally in body, sole, and mind to the person you are sharing your life with” The emphasise applying to words “give, totally, unconditionally and sharing” Love is all about giving, not taking.

Idealistic yes without saying, but it has to be better than killing each other because we do not agree with the others ideals?

Tony in th UK

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   08-21-06 22:41

Well,it is so nice to be back here--I am resurrecting old postings and topics. Maybe I will be able to drive Olya back into the conversation!! Maybe Olesya too. Before I left the forum,I wrote to Olesya,and was too late--my post did not go through. I was teasing about your shoes,as I tease all women who have too many shoes ( maybe I struck a nerve because you also have too many shoes? ) Oh sure!! Next you will say you have a purse to match each pair of shoes!! ( This is true of many women! ) Actually,I have a foot fetish,and I judge a woman by how she cares for her feet!! And now for the coupe de grace!! I met a woman 93 years old from Hungary. She is enchanting. I do not see the age in a special person like this--and I am certain that there are good examples of loving partners with large age differences. It is never good to deal in absolutes,or to say that every thing is the same 100% of the time. Laws ,rules,and pretentious attitudes are made to be broken by examples which go beyond comprehension--like how a 93 year old lady made me wish I was 80 so I could be her " young lover"

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Profile		 Author: Ann  (195.131.190.---)
Date:   08-22-06 07:11

2 smiling


Of course, it is dream of every American to get such girl, like a slave (nice ,beutuful and not equal to them).They don't like successesful beutiful women, who are cleverer than they. I can add more they hate such women. Because such women need real men near them, who are not speaking much and count every coin , which he spent for his woman. Fortunately, it is become such women more and more in our countries.

++ did u have unsecusessful experiance of marriage with easten man?))))

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   08-22-06 17:53

You silly girl. How can you say such a thing? Do you know many American men? I am an American man of native American,German and Swedish ancestry. You do not know my dreams. I come to the forum to learn about people because I care about people,and I like to engage others in conversation. What you say is sterotyping. I personally call it bigotry. Let me repeat myself; it does not matter where she is or who she has been in her past--only the heart matters. Dollars and cents buy the basic things a person needs. Something you do not know anything about is that the basic necessities in America are very expensive. I will give you a small look into my finances: rent is 650 dollars a month--my electricity and water are about 200 dollars a month. I pay 64 dollars a month for just my automobile insurance ( Which is mandatory in the US ) I pay 50 dollars each month for my television and internet. All this before I even mention food or recreation!! I do not have car payments or monthly payments for toys. In all,I pay about 1,500 dollars each month just to keep this apartment and to eat ( and I do not eat a lot ) I just returned from California because I visited my sick uncle. This cost about 400 dollars. Life is expensive,so a working man ( like me--one who uses his hands,body,and mind for his work ) must earn at least 2000 dollars a month. In America,2000 dollars a month is considered to be poor for a family of 3 . The men you describe above? I know none of them--but these men are no more suitable for me than for you. I do not like greedy,selfish people,and I do not keep their company. Nor do I like a woman who is TOO clever. It is doubtful if she has had half my experience or wisdom in her life,and clever often means a woman who will manipulate circumstances in her own favor--for her own profit. If clever means a person who knows how to make a fire with 2 sticks of wood--then I agree--she is very clever!!! And skilled. But if clever is somebody who is only interested in her own gain--then I submit to you that she is also a woman that men may love,but who loves only herself.

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Profile		 Author: Ann  (---.dialup.awanti.com)
Date:   08-23-06 01:59

ladies and genlmen!
lets calm down))))
a little bit))
we all r different and have different reasons 2 be here)))

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   08-23-06 20:10

....and I respect and appreciate your opinions,and our differences!!! Write on!!

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Profile		 Author: Uri  (---.ventca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-24-06 01:04

Wellcome back Blaine, speaking for myself, I miss your posts,and I am sure others feel the same here.
Ann ,you are right,we are all different and have different reasons.I sure would like to find out why you are here ?
when I read your post, I did not know if I shuld grab my balls first,or share with you, that I like to meet a beautiful ,smart succesesfull woman,that knows to do anything better then I can do. it will be a blessing. as long as she liks to cook :)

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Profile		 Author: Angel  (193.26.13.---)
Date:   08-24-06 01:35

If the Youth - knew..... And the Old age could. The youth should respect the Old age, and the Old age to show less claims of the Youth))

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Profile		 Author: Ann  (---.dialup.awanti.com)
Date:   08-24-06 01:47

2 uri
I sure would like to find out why you are here ?
+++ speaking english.
if I want 2 find somebody I use other sites. not this one.

some people speak well this is good for improving my english but probably u r not one of them- ur joks r rude 4 russian blond ladies

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Profile		 Author: Tory  (---.itt.net.ua)
Date:   10-03-06 11:35

Maybe it's normal, but not for me.

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   10-03-06 17:59

It is always about WHAT IS acceptable for the person. Normal can mean: a Maori man makes a small cut on the cow,so that the blood can be drinken . Now,if I offered this same man a hamburger with extra pickles,lettuce,and mustard, perhaps the hamburger would not be normal. Perhaps the mustard would not be normal. With a short statement,Tory has said that a large age difference is NOT acceptable. This really does not mean that 2 people with age differences are NOT acceptable to society,but that the choice is as individually based as is your preference for mustard,ketchup,and pickles on your hamburger-- I like my hamburger with meat and cheese only--and no bun. So,I guess what is normal for me is not normal or acceptable for all!!!

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Profile		 Author: Uri  (---.ventca.adelphia.net)
Date:   10-03-06 20:29

Welcome back Blaine. missed you here on this sight. you are the voice of reason,and you are needed. you have somed it right.we should not judge others by their preferance. it is a personal choice for each one of us to make for ourselves,not for others to dectate what is right or wrong.
Tory said it perfectly clear." It maybe normal , but not for me". right on the money.I wish you find the perfect man for you Tory, and as an "old grandpa", I wish you all the best . Ann I still am trying to understand what you were trying to tell me about my English.English is not my first language so if you find some mistakes I appologize to you.however, I did not realized I offended some Russian blond ladies. did I?where and when?Ann,I respect your oppinion, but I reserve the right to question it.

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Profile		 Author: Blaine  (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   10-03-06 21:02

I must admit that I look at every profile--man or woman,because I find them interesting; the many opinions from people around the world. I knew that Uri was from Israel,so I would not be so precocious as to berate him for any english grammar he is lacking in. I am certain my Russian sucks, but if I were to write in a Russian Forum,I would hope not to be chastized for any grammatical errors. I was starting to get really bored with this forum--there was too much drama and conflict. People downgrading each other. I just have no time for that kind of rubbish. I still communicate with women from this site--but for the most part, I like this exchange of ideas by the international community. I guess this is because all nations are here,but they tend to become "Americanized" in time,and barely distinguishable from other Americans. I like to know what people are really like,and in the years that I have communicated with FSU women---I must be honest and tell you that it is INDEED the norm that young women marry older men. These women ( mostly from FSU,Phillipines ) very often do marry men older and much older than themselves. So, in the past I believe this to be not the normal--but what I will call the "frequent" choice. WHether it is for money or love,it does happen often enough that it is not so shocking or unbelieveable anymore--anymore than is a bi-racial couple. If,after a long enough period of time----this practice of mis-matched ages persists! will also call it " Normal",because it happens so frequently that it cannot be dismissed as an anomaly or rare occurence.

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Profile		 Author: Ronnie  (---.wk.net)
Date:   11-05-06 17:52

Hello Olga

Just want to say thanks to everyone here, ( even if the girls did give me a bad time that is most of the women here) and all the rest of you guys stay in there.

And to let you know that I Have just got married we was married on September the 2nd 2006 in Jamaica and spent are honeymoon there
her is a photo of her and me .

Her name is Marina and she is 37 and I am 54 now and she is from Moscow I met her while I was in Moscow in the spring. she save her money and got her own passport and visa I help her get her visa by contacting my senator and he help me with her paper work and help me with the U.S. embassy in Moscow to get her an appointment and by sending her and invitation letter then she received her visa. and I paid for her plane fare with a electric ticket form Russia to the U.S. she arrived in Nashville Tennessee on August the 5th 2006 and I met her there at the airport when she arrived and now she live here with me in Kentucky.

So now come all the paper work for her I have hired a lawyer and my senators is going to help me get her citizen ship. she is like my friend Katya, Marina and Katya gets along so well together Katya is so proud for me and glade to have someone from her country and home City over here with her they just talk all the time on the telephone all well that's good for them both.

So Thanks to everyone here it has been fun Ronnie

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